Re: Using runit-init on debian/Jessie in place of sysvinit/systemd

From: Steve Litt <slitt_at_troubleshooters.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 06:04:19 -0500

Hi Toki,

Earlier, you most succinctly made the point that I don't know what I'm
talking about. In order that you don't get lumped in that same category
with me, you might want to adjust your email client so it quotes
properly, so that people know who said what. This email makes it look
like you're arguing with yourself.

SteveT

On Fri, 2 Jan 2015 11:59:43 +0100
toki clover <tokiclover_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Feel free to take meds and re-invent the wheel when you feel like it.
> No problem of course.
>
> Take care.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Avery Payne <avery.p.payne_at_gmail.com>
> Date: 2015-01-02 11:54 GMT+01:00
> Subject: Re: Using runit-init on debian/Jessie in place of
> sysvinit/systemd To: toki clover <tokiclover_at_gmail.com>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 4:31 PM, toki clover <tokiclover_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: toki clover <tokiclover_at_gmail.com>
> > Date: 2015-01-02 1:30 GMT+01:00
> > Subject: Re: Using runit-init on debian/Jessie in place of
> > sysvinit/systemd To: Luke Diamand <luke_at_diamand.org>
> >
> >
> > First, it's a bit crazy to use runit for init+service management
> > entirely because:
> >
>
> Oh, I'm crazy? Perhaps I should put on Mad Scientist goggles and a lab
> coat? :-)
>
>
> >
> > - It's completely crazy to supervise every service because; first,
> > every service
> > won't fit in if it's not a daemon;
>
>
> I'm working on this issue. This may be achievable with just shell
> script alone; but I'm looking at something very different from other
> solutions.
>
>
> > second supervising every daemon is
> > dangerous.
> >
>
> How? In what context? I'm curious.
>
>
> > - Second, runit (or s6 for that matter) lack any decent service
> > dependency, actually both completely ignore the problem (athough s6
> > may change this in in a near futur.)
> >
>
> I have been working on a shell-script prototype that would bring up
> services before launching a daemon. It is not complete and I am still
> working out the details. If it works, then I will include it as a
> "standard feature" of supervision-scripts.
>
>
> > - Third, do not forget the overhead of supervision (an extra
> > instance per daemon.)
> >
>
> There was some discussion on the mailing list about this very topic.
>
>
> > Stuffing stage 1 is suicidal...
> >
>
> It's only suicidal if you don't have another init system around. I
> kept chunks of SysV intact on my home system for that reason, but it
> defaults to and starts with runit currently. Since the switch over,
> I've not needed SysV beyond looking at what Debian currently does
> inside of init.d scripts.
Received on Fri Jan 02 2015 - 11:04:19 UTC